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Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:57 pm

So this just happened today...

ALL of Billy Mitchell's 1 million plus Donkey Kong scores were REMOVED from the DK Forums.
Billy is now *Officially* listed at #47 with 933,900

Basically, someone proved that he used MAME to cheat when trying to 1UP Steve Wiebe back during the King of Kong days.
Total loser :lol:

Click the link below for more info.
http://donkeykongforum.com/index.php?topic=2055.0



The Internet is going crazy over it right now, just look at the articles flying in below just today.....and it looks like Twin Galaxies is going to yank his scores as a result shortly as well.

Must watch King of Kong again.....even though you know he's a douche in that documentary, the validation makes the documentary even cooler ;-)

https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/02/donk ... hell-lied/

https://www.pcgamer.com/king-of-kongs-b ... -hardware/

https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/02/don ... llegation/

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/arch ... ign=buffer

https://gonintendo.com/stories/301230-k ... -donkey-ko

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... -mame.html

https://retrobitch.wordpress.com/2018/0 ... stigation/

https://www.eteknix.com/billy-mitchell-donkey-kong/

https://apptrigger.com/2018/02/02/billy ... s-removed/

http://www.twingalaxies.com/feed_detail ... peaks-up/5

https://www.cinemablend.com/games/23061 ... ng-records
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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby amplibax » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:31 am

Last year it was the year of #metoo. 2018 is the year of #mametoo

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:20 pm

amplibax wrote:Last year it was the year of #metoo. 2018 is the year of #mametoo

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LOL :lol:

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:10 am

It looks like Billy took advantage of replays and save states for certain ;-)

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby amplibax » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:05 am

Wow. They need to make an actual sequel to King of Kong about that scandal. I wanna hear Mr Awesome's thoughts on this.

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:32 am

Apparently Silly Bitchell is "releasing a statement" today.
What is the likelihood that it will be an apology? Probably pretty low LOL :lol:
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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby RayB » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:36 pm

jasonec wrote:Apparently Silly Bitchell is "releasing a statement" today.
What is the likelihood that it will be an apology? Probably pretty low LOL :lol:

In a Trump era, he can just lie is face off and everyone will just split off into whatever side they want to believe.

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:46 pm

RayB wrote:
jasonec wrote:Apparently Silly Bitchell is "releasing a statement" today.
What is the likelihood that it will be an apology? Probably pretty low LOL :lol:

In a Trump era, he can just lie is face off and everyone will just split off into whatever side they want to believe.


Sad but true. Probably what is going to happen tonight.
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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:37 am

jasonec wrote:
RayB wrote:
jasonec wrote:Apparently Silly Bitchell is "releasing a statement" today.
What is the likelihood that it will be an apology? Probably pretty low LOL :lol:

In a Trump era, he can just lie is face off and everyone will just split off into whatever side they want to believe.


Sad but true. Probably what is going to happen tonight.


Apparently, that's basically what happened LOL

So, instead of addressing the plethora of mainstream media outlets detailing how people proved Mitchell used MAME, Mitchell and Knucklez just did a radio show on CompoundMedia whose hosts are known racist alt-right assholes (in other words, their "posse"):

And during it they lashed out at other competitive gamers by accusing them of cheating too :lol:

But there are a lot of Mitchell fans on social media this morning who are absolutely convinced that he has redeemed himself and didn't cheat or use MAME (regardless of the proof).

What a bunch of pathetic losers in my opinion - not the sort of people I choose to hang out with ;-)

http://www.scholarlygamers.com/feature/ ... -mitchell/

Now, he's cocked up an excuse that makes no sense instead of owning up to the truth:

https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/08/bill ... ake-sense/

And it basically can be summed up as this:

https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/14/twi ... r-records/
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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:51 am

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Summary Decision:

Based on the complete body of evidence presented in this official dispute thread, Twin Galaxies administrative staff has unanimously decided to remove all of Billy Mitchell’s’ scores as well as ban him from participating in our competitive leaderboards.

We have notified Guinness World Records of our decision.

On 02-02-2018 Twin Galaxies member Jeremey Young ( @xelnia ) filed a dispute claim assertion against the validity of Billy Mitchell’s historical and current original arcade Donkey Kong score performances of 1,047,200 (the King of Kong "tape"), 1,050,200 (the Mortgage Brokers score), and 1,062,800 (the Boomers score) on the technical basis of a demonstrated impossibility of original unmodified Donkey Kong arcade hardware to produce specific board transition images shown in the videotaped recordings of those adjudicated performances.

Jeremy’s assertion concluded that not only can original Donkey Kong arcade hardware not produce the board transition images shown in the recordings, but that these transitions were actually generated through the use of MAME (emulation software.)

The rules for submitting scores for the original arcade Donkey Kong competitive leaderboards requires the use of original arcade hardware only. The use of MAME or any other emulation software for submission to these leaderboards is strictly forbidden.

Jeremy Young provided his dispute case evidence to the dispute thread for both public and Twin Galaxies scrutiny and review.

Twin Galaxies has meticulously tested and investigated the dispute case assertions as well as a number of relevant contingent factors, such as the veracity of the actual video performances that the dispute claim assertions rely upon.

In addition to Twin Galaxies’ own investigation into the dispute case assertions, at least two different 3rd parties conducted their own explorations and came to identical conclusions.

Most notable was the 3rd party (Carlos Pinerio) that Billy Mitchell engaged to help examine the dispute case claims on his behalf, utilizing whatever original equipment Billy could provide, whose final finding was consistent with Twin Galaxies investigation and others.

Additionally, during the evidence gathering period of this dispute, numerous experts, hobbyists, and casual observers participated and contributed to this investigation.

Here are our specific findings:

- The taped Donkey Kong score performances of 1,047,200 (the King of Kong "tape"), 1,050,200 (the Mortgage Brokers score) that were historically used by Twin Galaxies to substantiate those scores and place them in the database were not produced by the direct feed output of an original unmodified Donkey Kong Arcade PCB.

- The 1,062,800 (the Boomers score) Donkey Kong performance does not have enough of a body of direct evidence for Twin Galaxies to feel comfortable to make a definitive determination on at this time.

- The 1047 and 1050 score performance videos we have in our possession (and are basing our determinations on) are in fact the performances that were used by previous Twin Galaxies administration as justification for those scores to be entered into the database and for Twin Galaxies to attribute those specific accomplishments to Billy Mitchell. We have several different and unique sources of these performances and access to private historical Twin Galaxies referee e-mail distribution records showing where these sources acquired their copies and what the purpose was.

- Of significant note is that it is very straightforward for anyone to check the authenticity of the 1047 performance source tape by just cross-referencing the digital capture video of the performance that has been posted in this dispute thread with the very public “King of Kong” movie gameplay footage along with its DVD extras.

- While we know for certain that an unmodified original DK arcade PCB did not output the display seen in the videotaped score performances, we cannot definitively conclude that what is on the tapes is MAME.

- To definitively conclude that MAME was used, Twin Galaxies would need to comprehensively rule out the possibility of all other methods that could produce what is seen on the tapes. This would mean testing all other emulators other than MAME across all other platforms to eliminate the possibility that a different emu was used. It would also mean testing visual effects software and anything else we can think of to be definitively certain. This kind of testing is beyond the scope of the dispute case needs.

From a Twin Galaxies viewpoint, the only important thing to know is whether or not the score performances are from an unmodified original DK arcade PCB as per the competitive rules. We now believe that they are not from an original unmodified DK arcade PCB, and so our investigation of the tape content ends with that conclusion and assertion.

Twin Galaxies has endeavored to provide a fair opportunity and reasonable amount of time for all sides and interests to present their thoughts and evidence as it has evaluated this dispute claim.

Twin Galaxies has also investigated this matter as comprehensively as reasonably possible to make sure that its findings are as informed as possible.

Throughout every step of this investigation, Billy Mitchell had the opportunity to answer questions and contribute to the public dispute thread. However, he was under no obligation to participate in this dispute thread and as such he chose not to do so.

Twin Galaxies is only looking at the dispute claim assertions about score performances and either validating or refuting those claims specifically - it is not evaluating people.

Twin Galaxies would like to give a huge thank you to all involved in this dispute from all sides. Our community, the DKF community, @xelnia and @YesAffinity specifically and many many others have contributed tremendously and deserve proper and full recognition.

Hopefully it is becoming more and more obvious that we care very much about our scoreboard integrity and will continue to improve it step-by-step, no matter how painful or public it might occasionally be.

This has been said before, but it is important to repeat that Twin Galaxies is dedicated to absolutely rooting out invalid scores from our historic database wherever we find them.

Twin Galaxies’ recent efforts to build a dispute system for the purpose of allowing scores to be questioned in a centralized and documented manner have enabled all of the available evidence regarding Billy Mitchell’s score performances to finally, after many years, be concentrated, examined and discussed by non-anonymous members of the gaming community and Twin Galaxies administration. This system has created a permanent body of evidence for examination.

Anyone looking into their own past with honesty and a desire to improve will likely find things potentially messy and uncomfortable. Twin Galaxies has experienced a nice big dose of that again with this dispute. However, Twin Galaxies understands that this is required for it to continue its commitment to accuracy. As we all have learned, this cannot occur overnight and must be a step-by-step process.

Just as in other disputes, we definitely know that many in the gaming community operate with a general urgency and would have preferred to see this matter resolved more swiftly.

However, Twin Galaxies, as part of a comprehensive process and in its position of authority, must ensure due diligence. Our public documentation of our processes and conclusions are intended to satisfy scrutiny for the long term, so in instances where warranted our comprehensiveness must go above and beyond what would normally satisfy.

Our methodic approach has allowed many things to surface, not only related to this specific score, but other scores as well as some previously never-before-discussed video game related history.

We must repeat, the truth is the priority. That is the concern. Whatever it takes.

Twin Galaxies continues to strive to earn and maintain trust over time by making supportable decisions and taking sensible actions.

With this ruling Twin Galaxies can no longer recognize Billy Mitchell as the 1st million point Donkey Kong record holder. According to our findings, Steve Wiebe would be the official 1st million point record holder.

Thanks again to all who contributed time, effort and expertise to this case.

This dispute is ACCEPTED.

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby brad808 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:53 am

Awesome stuff to see.

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby OTTOgd » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:08 am

wow. All scores removed and banned.

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby Robert » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:27 am

He had it coming and he knew it.

sorry to bad so sad :)

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby OTTOgd » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:46 pm

What was he thinking??? He should have felt guilty and requested the specific score removals and apologized. Isn't/wasn't he Pac champ too?

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Re: Billy Mitchell's >1mil scores removed

Postby jasonec » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:19 pm

What is most important to remember about this whole Billy Mitchell thing is that part in King of Kong where Steve Wiebe scored over a million for the first time at FunSpot, and shortly thereafter, Billy instructed his people to show a VCR tape of himself breaking a million points to steal Steve's thunder away from him (and reduce him to tears).

That video that Billy had them show - that exact video - has now been proven to be faked with MAME save states to get an impossible number of blue barrels to push his score over the top. He cheated to crush his competition and prevent Steve from winning the title of "first player to break a million points in DK". Total douche move.

And that's everything you need to know about Billy's real character.

And, now, of course, comes the mainstream media posts LOL :D

https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/12/bil ... -stripped/
https://www.cnet.com/news/donkey-kong-a ... -standing/
http://www.newsweek.com/billy-mitchell- ... ost-884014
http://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/kin ... 51358/amp/
http://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/bil ... 202752594/
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